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December 25, 2004

XMAS=93=ABUSE

During a bout of insomnia last night I realised that translating the alphabet to digits is just pandering to the alpha-numeric scissionists. Why not just use the number-system we've got, base 26? And then do base-26 reduction. Then you have the multi-level connectivity of the HEX+DR without the need for translation into a redundant numbering system.

thus,
A B C D E F G H I J K L M N O P Q R S T U V Q X Y Z
(1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 17 18 19 20 21 22 23 24 25 26 )
UNDERCURRENT (U+N+D+E+R+C+U+R+R+E+N+T) [ = 21 + 14 + 4 + 5 + 18 + 3 + 21 + 18 +18 + 5 + 14 + 20 = 161]
= FE (FE=65 base-26) [= (6x26)+5]
= K (F+E = K) [=6+5=11]

Posted by undercurrent at December 25, 2004 11:29 AM

Comments

I'll try and get a link to the Nash qabbala - implicitly cited in the recent (uncommentable) mark k-p post - seem to recall strong overlaps, but also interesting differences (think he used 1-26 numerical values + standard modern place-value to numerize words)

So what's this system called?

XMAS = ABUSE = BLOOD = MOON = ROSE = MARY ...
(Have you read the much-hyped 'Da Vinci Code' yet? huge chunks of his (hyperstitional?) occult tradition qabbalistically translates straight into (Current-)93.

Posted by: nick at December 25, 2004 12:16 PM

THELEMA in AQ equals 127=NUMBER. Note, with the new system, DR changes from 3 to 1.

ABUSE in AQ equals 93=BLOOD with a DR of 3. Also the root word for abuse is AB, also DR 3.

Which makes me think you are on to something because of this 111-111-111 business.

Posted by: northanger at December 25, 2004 01:10 PM

I'll try to get this up and running on the nummificator (not so easy cos I'll have to code up the base-26 stuff from scratch).

>So what's this system called?
shall we have a competition?

>Have you read the much-hyped 'Da Vinci Code'

no, the last one of them I read was the Bible Code, and it seemed like a real shoddy bit of work.

Posted by: undercurrent at December 25, 2004 02:18 PM

Da Vinci Code is a novel, so pretentions minimal.

Since AQ values are Sys-26 values +9, the two systems are highly consistent, certainly in respect to ultimate DR results.

Second element of your Sys-26 suggestions - cashing out whole procedure in alphabetic digit-code - definitely scores on the cryptographic front

Posted by: nick at December 25, 2004 11:20 PM

... but it could be argued that cryptography without preservation of information is kind of schizi ;)

Posted by: nick at December 25, 2004 11:27 PM

I've nearly finished coding 'D26' for inclusion in nummificator (will also change HEX to AQ, didn't realise it was the source of such deeply-felt pain).
D26 tends to mulch quickly cos of the relatively large base system - most things go straight to two letters then to one. It certainly seems simpler than converting between systems though.

Posted by: undercurrent at December 26, 2004 01:18 PM

Think its worth analytically decomposing D26 into three

1) Alphasys cipher (quite spontaneous in aninteresting way - always good for oecumenic proliferation) - A:1 - Z:26
2) Alphabetical re-numerization, processing out numerals (interesting questions viz 'redundancy' and codes).
3*) De-decimalization through application of Alphasys as 'mod-26' numeracy of the modern type - this might seem only notionally different to point 1, but is actually (at least in one direction) independent of it. De-decimalization is the step that takes you 'off the edge of the world' in terms of extant qabbalistic traditions and practices of all kinds from deepest antiquity to AQ, GoN etc., since it jettisons all the features of mod-10 (especially concerning function of 9 - whose partial analogue - such as calculative heuristics and also DR neutrality - is provided by Y:25).

* - big 'BUT' - mod-26 counts from 0-25, so either:
- you are actually favouring a mod-27 system (and need to find a zero?),
- or your values need shifting to A:0 - Z:25 (breaking DR resonance with AQ)
- or you are actually not constructing a modular numeracy of the modern type, but something else

can't proceed further until i know your response to this last conundrum

Posted by: nick at December 26, 2004 02:16 PM

yes, I terminated a very frustrating coding session with the (ping! lightbulb above head) revelation that the modding wouldn't work unless I started with A=0, ha ha...
And yes, I don't get the distinction between 1 and 3 ('de-decimalisation'...?)
At any rate using mod-26 changes the dynamic of the culture if only for the reason that it makes it less popularly-accessible, which could be good or bad depending on what you think you're doing.

Posted by: undercurrent at December 26, 2004 03:58 PM

difficult to take any kind of step in this territory without baffling poly-criterial questions - i can see interesting motivations for going in a whole bunch of different directions (which i know isn't very helpful) - maybe you need a bout of hyperstitional multiple personality disorder followed by a ruthless darwinian purge of the less productive lineages

diff. between 1)/3) mainly that you could use the Alphasys cipher and still decimalize when it comes to DR - whole possibility of moving off the decimal modulus is so radical it deserves to be isolated as an issue IMHO

Posted by: nick at December 26, 2004 04:17 PM

finally finished adding D26 - when northanger gets a few hundred entries in the glossolalary, then we'll see....brain needs a rest from it all now...

Posted by: undercurrent at December 26, 2004 06:00 PM

ROBIN=CB=D=CB=BIN LADEN

LOL!

Posted by: undercurrent at December 26, 2004 06:26 PM

FREE ENTERPRISE=FT(!!)=Y=FT=UNDERCURRENT

Posted by: undercurrent at December 26, 2004 06:28 PM

Can see you're taking your rest ;)
("I can stop anytime I want")

Posted by: nick at December 27, 2004 03:10 AM

where's the numnut thing?

Posted by: northanger at December 27, 2004 07:49 AM

sorry, wasn't deliberate, I did some changes on the server without realising their repercussions on the all-important nummificator - it's back now...

Posted by: undercurrent at December 27, 2004 11:17 AM

you need 2change uc-link on hyperhome:
http://www.urbanomic.com/MT/undercurrent/

you're all-important 2me :o)

Posted by: northanger at December 27, 2004 01:06 PM

yup, thanks for that ...

Posted by: undercurrent at December 27, 2004 01:10 PM

So now we've got the mechanics of D26 settled, are you going to write us a post discussing it?

Posted by: nick at December 27, 2004 02:45 PM

have you got a problem with "CIALIS" - didn't think so

Posted by: nick at December 28, 2004 06:10 PM

no, I love the stuff.
The serious answer is that I've got an upgrade of Movable Type (MT-BLACKLIST) that kills spam automatically if it comes from a known source. I think abstractdynamics has a more adhoc checking mechanism in place for specific 'questionable content' keywords.

Posted by: undercurrent at December 28, 2004 06:52 PM

This is pretty cryptic - have to say, I smell Choronzon before spam filter - you think i was seriously interested in talking about 'cialis' (what the hell is that?)- goddamn bastard gave that 'name' as the explanation for suppressing another post, now completely irrecoverable - but that's the way demons work - no evidence remains except technically intelligible nonsense and psychotic howls that have forgotten what the hell they were about in the first place - chalk this one up to Choronzon (that ****er is dangerous, may you be spared its attention)

Posted by: nick at December 28, 2004 07:37 PM

hmm.

Posted by: undercurrent at December 28, 2004 08:05 PM

>>> what the hell is that?

...perhaps ... possibly ... would that...

Posted by: cialis at December 29, 2004 04:01 AM

You'll be relieved to hear I've finally extracted my mangled head from the spam filter

Posted by: nick at December 29, 2004 09:07 AM

Your analysis of the 'cialis' issue is looking better by the minute - have you tried 'specialist' at Hyperstition yet? Can't believe this level of crude vocabulary chopping is imagined to be sustainable ...

Posted by: nick at December 30, 2004 12:48 PM