September 07, 2005
by error on a blog (since made private)
Brockbank’s compelling response...
Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 11:02:10 +0100
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From: Steve Devos [sdv@KROKODILE.CO.UK]
Subject: stealing...
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all
recently i stole a text from a blog (infinitethoughts), an act which i
have been told over the interveneing time, sometimes humourously sometimes
not was an unethical act. This is possibly true but I'm really not sure
that ethics and property rights can meet in this way.
In amoungst the complaints and insults over this act of plagerism
(stealing) that I've recieved since i posted the stolen text here on the
list and by error on a blog (since made private which it was originally
supposed to be ...). A number of curious things stand out which have some
interesting consequences. Firstly - there is a surprising belief in
intellectual ownership, which is to say in the intellectual property
rights of the writer over the text. Secondly that the commentators do not
appear to understand the extent to which objects/text etc are now being
used in whatever way the reader chooses.
In the first case - it is so long since I've lived in circles that
believed in such things that I've been surprised by the extent of the
belief. Is it your opinion that a text or other object on the net is
'authored' or
written in this sense ? In which case what is the ethical status of the
downloading of objects ? Is there a difference between an individuals
intellectual property rights and an institutions intellectual property
rights ? This last case is surely a case of sameness not of difference ?
The second case is practically even more interesting because by default
the emails do not appear to understand the extent to which current
educational practice is being affected by students stealing text and using
it within essays, on the understandable basis that they will improve their
marks.
If the commentator differentiates the case of a student stealing a text,
plagerising an essay, downloading an object and my own act of stealing -
what is the meaning of this moral inconsistency ?
I of course did the steal the text - and whilst I probably won't do it
again, I do not really consider it as a straightforward issue - because of
the implication (that has been raised to me) of merging the consideration
of my ethical misbehavior with the demand that I respect intellectual
property rights.
s
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Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:31:44 +0100
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From: Steve Devos [sdv@KROKODILE.CO.UK]
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actually a thought on this specific subject might be interesting
'stanislaw' -
oh and welcome, however temporarily you intend this to be..
s
> laughs...
>
>
>> Steve/all,
>>
>> I was wondering if the list had any thoughts on the possible difference
>> between collage works of 'texts intended to open discussion', and
>> cynical
>> plagiaristic paraphrase.
>>
>
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Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 17:21:44 +0100
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From: Steve Devos [sdv@KROKODILE.CO.UK]
Subject: Re: Collage vs plagiarism
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laughs...
> Steve/all,
>
> I was wondering if the list had any thoughts on the possible difference
> between collage works of 'texts intended to open discussion', and cynical
> plagiaristic paraphrase.
>
> I must confess to not having given the issue much thought in recent
> months,
> until I chanced upon the following links;
>
> http://blog.urbanomic.com/sphaleotas/archives/000754.html
> http://www.long-sunday.net/long_sunday/2005/08/humanism.html
> http://www.mailtalk.ac.uk/cgi-bin/webadmin?A2=ind0508&L=theory-lyotard-badiou-event&D=1&T=0&O=D&F=&S=&P=5571
> http://www.krokodile.co.uk/blogs/index.php?title=the_spectre_of_humanism_and_anti_humanis&more=1&c=1&tb=1&pb=1
>
> Fascinating, I think you'll agree.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Stanislas
>
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Posted by sphaleotas at September 7, 2005 12:11 PM