Date: Sat, 19 May 2007 20:30:35 +0100
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From: "sdv@krokodile.co.uk" [sdv@KROKODILE.CO.UK]
Subject: Laurelle and ...
Saturday,
I thi8nk it was james who mentioned Laurelle earlier - there is a book by John Mullarkey which some interesting comments on Francois Laurelle and non-philosophy. Along with a sketchmap of the relations to Deleuze, Henry, Badiou....I wouldn't callit essential or particularlly good but worth checking out for the Henry and Laurelole...
I wonder why academics like Mullarkey remain as sexist as they are, because just as in the seminar earlier today where the psychoanalyst/therapist could inexcusably speak for 45 minutes on 'Meeting' without a single reference to a single female theorist, so Mullarkey can choose to write of philosophy as if philosophy was the unique preserve of men. He and the publishers should be ashamed of themselves for producing such a text.
Curious how reactionary those who write secondary texts are...he is of course 15 years or so younger than I am, so perhaps I should reference how his entire adult life has existed with the counter-reformation. But the reality is that its 2007 and a popular tv show like Dr Who is less reactive than his text. Appalling, just appalling...
enjoy, it's really quite good on Henry and Laurelle... just that i can't help noticing how...
later.
s
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Date: Sun, 20 May 2007 12:23:37 +0100
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From: Nina Power
Subject: Re: Laurelle and ...
Yes but Steve, don't forget the time you copied a blog post which was actually written by a woman, you somehow forget to reference it!
Nina
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 08:51:13 +0100
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From: "sdv@krokodile.co.uk" [sdv@KROKODILE.CO.UK]
Subject: Re: Laurelle and ...
nina,
of course not. Why should I 'forget' ? I'm interested that you bring this up at this poin, why ?
In your teaching practice what do you do to your students when they either buy an essay or use text from the net ?
steve
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 10:01:32 +0100
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From: Nina Power
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I just thought your outrage at Mullarkey omitting women theorists was a little ironic...
If students plagiarise then they have to rewrite the essay with a maximum mark possibility of 40%, or they get kicked off the course if it's their second or third offence. Given that essays are one of the few ways we can assess students' understanding, and given how hard most students work on them, there's no excuse for the odd person to cut and paste from Wikipedia (the usual route). The penalties against plagiarism are made absolutely explicit to them from the start of their course. I'm happy to talk to students if they're having time or personal problems and arrange extensions, but plagiarism just takes the piss. I think you'll find the majority of lecturers agree on this - there's nothing quite as dispiriting as having taught a 12 week course and then receive something in return that took five minutes to cobble together from the internet.
Luckily, it doesn't happen very often!
Cheers, Nina
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 12:34:38 +0100
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From: Steve Devos [sdv@KROKODILE.CO.UK]
Subject: Re: Laurelle and ...
Nina,
These are two very different and unrelated issues.
As i said at the time, it's completely true I stole/abused the text, but the gender of the person I took the text from was irrelevant, the text itself just seemed to suit my purposes at the time. That the text was by a women was irrelevant and let me assure you that I'd not have referenced the author if they'd been any other human gender either (at the time). The interesting lesson here was that I realized how central questions of authorship and consequently creativity remain in relation to the net. The affection shown for authorship and accreditation is extraordinary.
Mullarkey's problem, which is very normal in these cases, is that at no time does he attempt to address the absence of women in a text which is published with the explicit aim to inform the reader about the immanent turn in recent french philosophy. Perhaps the absence signifies that there aren't any women philosophers and cultural theorists in france working within the area ?
so you'll have to forgive me if I don't see the irony...
cheers
steve
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 05:44:10 -0700
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From: Eric S [eric_roho@YAHOO.COM]
Subject: Re: Laurelle and ...
steve and nina,
I don't know if I should really jump into this dispute or not, but I will anyway.
Nina, I really admire your work. I bought The Praxis of Alain Badiou and thought your essay Towards an Anthropology of Infinitude was very insightful. I also find the things you say about Sartre in relation to Badiou interesting and it has helped me to reassess Sartre's work and start reading him again. In some strange way I have come around to thinking that Sartre offers more than Badiou does, but together they both make a strong case for developing a philosophy of the Subject. In short, you have propelled my thoughts in new and different ways.
Steve, despite the fact that I critique intellectual property laws, I think that internet culture should be a community of respect. Whether you knew the piece was written by a woman or a man, you took it and that seems to be the main issue.
I don't know, maybe you should acknowledge that and even try to offer Nina an apology or something.
eric
Date: Mon, 21 May 2007 14:20:57 +0100
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From: Steve Devos [sdv@KROKODILE.CO.UK]
Subject: Re: Laurelle and ...
Nina,
Oh Eric raises a good point... though actually I thought I'd apologized when this issue arose initially and that we were now speaking about something else. Either way of course I apologize (again) and deeply regret the action.
None the less... apologies offered...
Posted by sphaleotas at May 23, 2007 11:59 AM